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> MI5 are Afraid to Admit They're Behind the. Persecution
>
> MI5 have issued a formal denial of any involvement in my life. to the
> Security Service Tribunal, as you might expect them to; but,. more
> importantly,. the persecutors have never denied that theyre from the
> Security Service,. despite several years of accusations from my corner on
> usenet. and in faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security
> Service
> Tribunal found "no determination in your favour". I am however. a little
> surprised. that the persecutors have refused to confirm my identification
> of them; by doing so, they implicitly admit that my guess was. right.
>
> "No determination in your favour" says the Security Service. Tribunal
>
> In 1997,. I made a complaint to the Security Service Tribunal, giving only
> the bare outlines of my case. I do not think it would have made. very much
> difference. if Id made a much more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal
> has no ability to perform. investigatory functions. It can only ask MI5 if
> they have an interest in a subject, to which. MI5 are of course free to be
> "economical with the truth". A couple of months after my complaint. the
> Tribunal replied. that;
>
> The Security. Service Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and
> have asked me to inform you that no determination in your favour has. been
> made on. your complaint.
>
> Needless to say this reply didnt surprise me in the slightest. It. is a
> well established. fact that the secret service are a den of liars and the
> Tribunal a toothless watchdog,. so to see them conforming to these
> stereotypes might be disappointing. but unsurprising.
>
> It is. noteworthy that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff information
> on. whether the "no determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to
> have no interest in him, or whether they claim their interest. is
> "justified".. In the 1997 report of the Security Service Commissioner he
> writes that "The ambiguity. of the terms in which the notification of the
> Tribunals decision is expressed is intentional",. since a less ambiguous
> answer would. indicate to the plaintiff whether he were indeed under MI5
> surveillance. But I note that the ambiguity also allows MI5 to. get away
> with lying to the. question of their interest in me; they can claim to the
> Tribunal that they have no. interest, but at a future date, when it
> becomes
> clear that they did indeed place me under. surveillance and harassment,
> they can claim their interest was "justified" - and the Tribunal. will
> presumably not admit that in their previous reply. MI5 claimed to have no
> interest.
>
> "He. doesnt know who we are"
>
> In early January 1996. I flew on a British Airways jet from London to
> Montreal; also present. on the plane, about three or four rows behind me,
> were two. young men, one of them fat and voluble, the other silent. It was
> quite clear that. these two had been planted on the aircraft to "wind me
> up". The. fat youth described the town in Poland where I had spent
> Christmas, and made some unpleasant. personal slurs against me. Most
> interestingly, he said the words, "he. doesnt know who we are".
>
> Now I find this particular form of words very interesting, because. while
> it is not a clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt. at denial
> of. my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had my guess been wrong, the fat youth
> would surely have said so more clearly. What he was trying to. do was to
> half-deny something he knew to be true, and he. was limited to making
> statements which he knew to be not false; so he made a lukewarm. denial
> which on the. face of it means nothing, but in fact acts as a confirmation
> of my guess of who "they". are.
>
> On one of the other. occasions when I saw the persecutors in person, on
> the
> BA flight to Toronto in June 1993, one of the group of. four men said, "if
> he tries. to run away well find him". But the other three stayed totally
> quiet and avoided eye. contact. They did so to avoid being apprehended and
> identified - since if they were identified,. their employers would have
> been revealed,. and it would become known that it was the secret services
> who were behind. the persecution.
>
> Why are MI5 So. Afraid to admit their involvement?
>
> If. you think about it, what has been going on in Britain for the last
> nine
> years is simply beyond belief. The British declare themselves to. be
> "decent" by. definition, so when they engage in indecent activities such
> as
> the persecution. of a mentally ill person, their decency "because were
> British" is still in the forefront of their minds, and a. process of
> mental
> doublethink kicks in, where their antisocial and indecent. activities are
> blamed on the victim "because its. his fault were persecuting him", and
> their self-regard and self-image. of decency remains untarnished. As
> remarked in. another article some time ago, this process is basically the
> same as. a large number of Germans employed fifty years ago against Slavic
> "untermenschen" and the. Jewish "threat" - the Germans declared, "Germans
> are known to be decent and the. minorities are at fault for what we do to
> them" - so they were able to retain the. view of themselves as being
> "decent".
>
> Now suppose this entire. episode had happened in some other country. The
> British have a poor view of the French, so. lets say it had all happened
> in
> France. Suppose. there was a Frenchman, of non-French extraction, who was
> targeted by the French internal security apparatus,. for the dubious
> amusement of French television. newscasters, and tortured for 9 years with
> various sexual and other verbal abuse and. taunts of "suicide". Suppose
> this all came. out into the open. Naturally, the French authorities would
> try hard to place the blame on their victim. - and in their own country,
> through the same state-controlled media. which the authorities employ as
> instruments of torture, their view might prevail - but what on. earth
> would
> people overseas. make of their actions? Where would their "decency" be
> then?
>
> This is why MI5 are so afraid. to admit theyre behind the
> persecution. Because if they did admit responsibility, then they would. be
> admitting that there was an action against me - and if the truth. came
> out,
> then the walls would. come tumbling down. And if the persecutors were to
> admit they. were from MI5, then you can be sure I would report the
> fact; and the persecutors support would fall away, among the. mass media
> as
> well as among the general public. When. I started identifying MI5 as the
> persecutors in 1995 and 1996 there was a. sharp reduction in media
> harassment, since people read my internet newsgroup posts and knew I. was
> telling the truth. The persecutors cannot deny. my claim that theyre MI5,
> because then I would report. their denial and they would be seen as
> liars -
> but they cannot. admit it either, as that would puncture their campaign
> against. me. So they are forced to maintain a ridiculous silence on the
> issue of their identity, in. the face of vociferous accusations on
> internet
> newsgroups and. faxed articles.
>
> Have MI5. lied to the Home Secretary?
>
> In order for. the Security Services to bug my home, they would either have
> needed a warrant from the Home Secretary, or they might have. instituted
> the bugging without a warrant. Personally I think it is more. likely that
> they didnt apply for a warrant - I cannot see any Home. Secretary giving
> MI5 authority to bug a. residence to allow television newscasters to
> satisfy their rather voyeuristic needs vis-a-vis. one of their
> audience. But it is possible that. the Security Service presented a
> warrant
> in some form before a home secretary at some point in the last nine.
> years,
> for telephone tapping or surveillance. of my residence, or interception of
> postal. service.
>
> So the possibility presents itself that a Home Secretary. might have
> signed
> a warrant presented to him based on MI5 lies. Just. as MI5 lie to the
> Security Service Tribunal,. so they might have lied to a Home Secretray
> himself. MI5 and MI6 are naturally secretive. services former home
> secretary Roy Jenkins. said, they have a "secretive atmosphere
> ... secretive. vis-a-vis the government as well as [enemies]". Jenkins
> also said he "did not form a. very high regard for how they discharged
> their. duties".
>
> It was only a few years ago that MI5. was brought into any sot the
> extraordinary thing is. that British media organisations like the state-
> and taxpayer-funded BBC take such an active. part in the MI5-inspired
> campaign of harassment. We have after all heard of MI5. trying to bribe
> broadcast journalists; but. surely there must be a substantial number who
> are not bought or blackmailed by the Security Services, and who take. part
> in the "abuse by newscasters". of their own volition? The BBC is supposed
> to be. independent of the government of the day as well as the
> Establishment in general. While perhaps it is childish to. think that the
> BBC is anything other than effectively. state-controlled, the degree of
> collusion between the BBC and the British. Secret Police MI5 is something
> you would not find in many. countries. Individual tele-journalists in
> other
> countries. would have enough self-esteem not to allow themselves to be
> controlled by their secret. police - seemingly, BBC broadcasters like
> Martyn Lewis and Nicholas Witchell have such. a low opinion of their
> employing organisation that they see no. wrong in dragging the BBCs
> no-longer-good name through. yet more mud, at the mere request (whether
> supported by financial or. other inducements) of the British secret
> Police,
> MI5.
>
> And when challenged, these broadcasters LIE about their involvement,. with
> just as. little shame as MI5 themselves. The BBCs Information dept have
> said. that;
>
> "I can assure you that the BBC would never engage in. any form of
> surveillance activity such. as you describe"
>
> which is an out-and-out lie. Buerk and Lewis have themselves. lied to
> their
> colleagues in the BBCs Information department over. the "newscaster
> watching",. but unsurprisingly they refuse to put these denials in
> writing.. Doubtless if the "newscaster watching" ever comes to light,
> Buerk
> and Lewis will then. continue to lie by lying about these denials. So much
> for the "impartial" BBC, a nest of liars bought and paid for. by the
> Security. Services!
>
> It. is obvious that the persecution is at the instigation of MI5
> themselves
> - they have read my post,. and only they have the surveillance technology
> and media/political access.. Yet they have lied outright to the Security
> Service Tribunal. Similarly, BBC newscasters Michael Buerk and. Martyn
> Lewis have lied to members of their own organisation.. The continuing
> harassment indicates they are. all petrified of this business coming out
> into the open. I will continue to do everything possible to. ensure that
> their wrongdoing is. exposed.
>
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